RBI – Rap Battle Introspection – LL Cool J vs. Canibus

LL Cool J is infamous for his rap battles with Kool Moe Dee, MC Hammer and Ice-T. Many hip hop heads were confused when LL began a feud with young up and coming rapper Canibus, who was introduced to LL by his former managerm Wyclef Jean.   LL worked with young rappers – he would put them on a track and give them exposure.  In 1997, “4, 3, 2, 1,” a track on LL’s album, “Phenomenon,” featured Canibus, DMX, Method Man & Redman. Canibus wrote his verse on the track and LL took it as a low blow. The line “L, is that a mic on your arm? Let me borrow that” was taken out of context and LL told Canibus to change his lyrics.

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Canibus agreed to this only if LL would change his lyrics as well.  LL did refused, and lyrically murdered Canibus on the track. The lyrics LL  spit that dissed Canibus were “The symbol on my arm is off limits to challengers” and “Now let’s get back to this mic on my arm / If it ever left my side, it’d transform into a time bomb / You don’t wanna borrow that, you wanna idolize.” No one knew this at the time until years later when Canibus’ original verse was leaked. Many hip hop fans were disgusted, and fellow rappers said LL Cool J was just stroking his ego – that the  diss wasn’t  necessary.

After the track was made, Canibus and LL began to take their feud a little further. Canibus recorded the track “Second Round K.O.” and made a music video that featured Mike Tyson. This song dissed LL Cool J for being on a family sitcom, dissing his family and his ego. It was well received and, propelled Canibus’ career.  LL Cool J counter attacked Canibus with the vicious “The Ripper Strikes Back.”  Canibus’ album “Can-I-Bus” only went gold, and critics panned the release.  LL Cool J came out with another diss track that featured Ja Rule, called “Back Where I Belong” on his “G.O.A.T.” album that was released in 2000.  Canibus’ career was pretty much dead at this point, with only his debut album selling well.

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The aftermath of the rap battle:

Canibus’ albums after his debut did not chart, and sold less and less as time went on.  In 2002, he enlisted in the U.S. Army and he released “Rip the Jacker,” his most critically acclaimed album. He was later discharged from the service for smoking marijuana. Canibus is well known for his lyrical ability, but many critics pan him for selling out through his career to achieve commercial success. Sources have said Canibus will retire releasing 3 more albums. At first, he was referred to as a “modern day Rakim” for his complex lyrical ability, but LL Cool J killed his career.  If it hadn’t been for the battle, maybe Canibus would have gained more commercial success.

LL Cool J continued to be a force in the rap game. All of his albums since “Phenomenon”, the original diss track that featured Canibus, have gone platinum. LL has had a lot of hits, along with being an entrepreneur and a successful actor appearing in 19 movies since 1997.  He released his last album off of Def Jam recordings, the only record label he has been a part of since 1985.  LL is now a regular character on the successful crime series “NCIS: Los Angeles”.  LL Cool J’s presence and status could not be overshadowed by Canibus, and everyone knew it. One of the few rap battles in hip hop that didn’t make much sense.

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  1. Avery on July 17, 2009 @ 11:10 am

    This is so good. Peeps need to realize that cannibus now wants LL to do a track with him now. I wouldn’t if I was LL. LL tried to speak to cannibus before he had listened to others to make money off of LL’s name by wanting battle him. LL had allot more battle tracks on cannibus too. Zoom zoom (3rd verse), shut em’ down, rasta imposta, 10 million stars, niggy nuts, and 4,3,2,1

  2. Drumsynth on July 25, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

    Right as im getting into CANIBUS through freestyles on youtube! hes one of my favorite rappers now and this article helps me understand his career.

    Thanks for writing a great article that really put this issue in perspective. personally ive never cared for LL its mainstreamers like him who make it hard for real talent. sell outs – but some do it for the dough. and some are just skilled.

    check out the canibus mixtape mic nificent on datpiff.com word!!

  3. Me on October 7, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

    This article is full of shit. LL didn’t kill Canibus’ career, Canibus did. Canibus tried appealing to a lot of the mainstream crowd in his albums and the didn’t fly with underground listeners while the mainstream could never appreciate his ridiculous lyrics. The article also gives the impression that LL had the better disses, he did not. Canibus massacred him there.

    My last quarrel is that the article makes it seem that album sales are the ultimate barometer of success and talent. They’re not. So what if LL outsold ‘Bis, hasn’t Lil Wayne outsold Immortal Technique? Hasn’t Rick Ross outsold Rugged Man? Sales are just indicative of how much mindless crap you can produce for stupid people. Too bad Canibus tried appealing to this crowd,his career would have been turned out better if he stuck to what he was good at.

  4. Hip Hop on November 9, 2009 @ 5:08 am

    The whole beef with Canibus and LL Cool J was pretty funny because no one could really decide who won in the end. LL COOL J makes some trashy music, but Canibus will always be the greatest lyricist alive.

  5. jaydub on November 13, 2009 @ 2:39 am

    are u kiddin me dude LL is garbage compared to canibus yeah maybe he has like a million fans but that doesnt make him a good lyricist silly fuck …mainstream queers like you kill hip hop

  6. anon on January 23, 2010 @ 4:21 pm

    I thought LL retired in the 90ies, haven’t heard shit from him since years… who cares. But using a spell-checker before posting articles on the internet is always a good thing to do.

  7. product on February 5, 2010 @ 9:08 am

    the person who wrote is an obvious groupie of ll bcos this is supposed 2 be about beef btwn the 2 raqppers wat is dat got 2 do wit ll’s success on tv and his trashy platinum selling albums

  8. havik damages on May 1, 2010 @ 1:48 pm

    canibus got more heat than l.l cool j..l.l couldnt bust nothing sicc..canibus could flow plus that mainstream fag of l.l is justa bag of garbage…CANIBUS is a better lyricist SRT8 up!!

  9. Caitlin Baker on June 30, 2010 @ 9:52 am

    I just thought that NCIS is a copy cat of CSI.`”:

  10. Finley Mitchell on July 27, 2010 @ 12:36 am

    i think NCIS is much better than CSI because they solve much harder cases.`:,

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